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‎11-10-202103:22 AM

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PMI removal via appraisal with Penny Mac

Does anyone have any advice or experience working with Penny Mac to get PMI removed via appraisal? Our homes value has increased significantly since we purchased it in July of 2018. I requested PMI removal to start the process with Penny Mac, and it was declined becuase our LTV for original appraisal did not fall under 80%. I undersatnd that for this new appraisal, it will need to be paid by me and order by Penny Mac through their approved firm. That's where I am stalled. Penny Mac is giving me the run around on ordering this appraisal. Any advice is appreciated.

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‎11-14-202112:37 PM

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Who services your loan? And this was originally just a plain normal conventional loan originally?

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‎11-15-202105:52 AM

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I don't have experience with Penny Mac but I just went through this exact process about a month ago with Third Federal.

We bought the house in 2019 and had to wait 2 years before requesting the PMI to be removed. I requested it in August this year and we received a letter that it was denied because our loan hasn't been paid down to the %80 of purchase price and if we wanted to have an appriasal done that shows the value is %20 over what we owe then that would be permitted. We paid $500 for an appraisal through Third Federal since we felt it should appraise for enough. The request was pretty easy, in our denial letter there was a form to fill out requesting an appraisal and to enclose the money and return it. I was certainly worried the appraisal would come back low since it was being done through the bank though.

We needed our house to appraise for $198k or more and it came back at $205k so they dropped the PMI. Zillow has our home at around $230k. I'm sure zillow isn't the best way to compare but for comparison sake?

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‎11-18-202101:40 PM

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@tdm2580wrote:

Does anyone have any advice or experience working with Penny Mac to get PMI removed via appraisal? Our homes value has increased significantly since we purchased it in July of 2018. I requested PMI removal to start the process with Penny Mac, and it was declined becuase our LTV for original appraisal did not fall under 80%. I undersatnd that for this new appraisal, it will need to be paid by me and order by Penny Mac through their approved firm. That's where I am stalled. Penny Mac is giving me the run around on ordering this appraisal. Any advice is appreciated.

According to the Homeowners Protection Act, it does not look like Penny Mac is actually required to do anything. You may need to refinance your loan with another lender.

Here is the HPA:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/supmanual/cch/hpa.pdf

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‎12-28-202101:52 AM

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I actually spoke with PennyMac earlier today regarding this topic. You may want to call and speak with them because it depends on your loan type. Mine is an FHA and I originally put down 3.5%, so my mortgage is required to carry PMI for the life of the loan. I would have to refinance and convert it to a conventional loan to drop PMI. If yours is an FHA loan, the person I spoke with stated that most FHA loans they service have to carry PMI for at least 11 years, the exact length is dependent on the amount you put down.

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‎12-28-202112:24 PM

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@Anonymouswrote:

I actually spoke with PennyMac earlier today regarding this topic. You may want to call and speak with them because it depends on your loan type. Mine is an FHA and I originally put down 3.5%, so my mortgage is required to carry PMI for the life of the loan. I would have to refinance and convert it to a conventional loan to drop PMI. If yours is an FHA loan, the person I spoke with stated that most FHA loans they service have to carry PMI for at least 11 years, the exact length is dependent on the amount you put down.

FHA is MIP and usually for the life of the loan... functionally MIP = PMI just the terminology is different.

Conventional sadly is a little disorganized in my experience as to when you can dump PMI, my own lender dumps it after a certain time period (on a 30 year fixed) or if the LTV gets to 78%. I don't have any real impetus even with the PMI to aggressively pay down my loan to get to that 78% line but if I were down around that and could save .25%, I'd consider it.

General point though, refinancing is always cash out of pocket or closing costs... do the math before trying to get rid of MIP even.

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‎01-03-202211:27 AM

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Good points here. My loan is not an FHA loan. The person that commented about their Third Federal experience was basically exactly the expeirence I was hoping for. Request an appraisal, pay for it, reep benefit of higher appraisal = no more PMI. But Penny Mac is so unresponsive. They also just screwed up my credit reporting quite a bit. Apparently my taxes went up $380 per month, and my homeowners insurance $80 per month, so my escrow account is now $10k+ in the negative. Penny Mac reported in December that instead of my balance being $405k as it shows on the Penny Mac Account dashboard (loan orignated in July 2018 for $426,000), they are now reporting my balance as $425k. So the $405k balance, plus the $10k in negative escrow, and $10k that represents the 3 payments deferred during Covid. No clue what this all means for potential refi.

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@tdm2580wrote:

Good points here. My loan is not an FHA loan. The person that commented about their Third Federal experience was basically exactly the expeirence I was hoping for. Request an appraisal, pay for it, reep benefit of higher appraisal = no more PMI. But Penny Mac is so unresponsive. They also just screwed up my credit reporting quite a bit. Apparently my taxes went up $380 per month, and my homeowners insurance $80 per month, so my escrow account is now $10k+ in the negative. Penny Mac reported in December that instead of my balance being $405k as it shows on the Penny Mac Account dashboard (loan orignated in July 2018 for $426,000), they are now reporting my balance as $425k. So the $405k balance, plus the $10k in negative escrow, and $10k that represents the 3 payments deferred during Covid. No clue what this all means for potential refi.

@tdm2580wrote:

Good points here. My loan is not an FHA loan. The person that commented about their Third Federal experience was basically exactly the expeirence I was hoping for. Request an appraisal, pay for it, reep benefit of higher appraisal = no more PMI. But Penny Mac is so unresponsive. They also just screwed up my credit reporting quite a bit. Apparently my taxes went up $380 per month, and my homeowners insurance $80 per month, so my escrow account is now $10k+ in the negative. Penny Mac reported in December that instead of my balance being $405k as it shows on the Penny Mac Account dashboard (loan orignated in July 2018 for $426,000), they are now reporting my balance as $425k. So the $405k balance, plus the $10k in negative escrow, and $10k that represents the 3 payments deferred during Covid. No clue what this all means for potential refi.

All of the above are great reasons to refinance with a new lender. The refi will get the escrow account straightenedout and eliminatethe PMI. You may even avoid needing an appraisal with a property inspectionwaiver.

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Does PennyMac drop PMI? ›

Will Pennymac ever cancel my PMI? PMI will be terminated automatically if/when your loan reaches the midpoint of its amortization schedule (halfway through the life of your loan). For example, on a 30-year loan, the midpoint would occur after 15 years have passed.

Is it worth getting an appraisal to remove PMI? ›

Yes. If your home value increases — either by housing market trends or by you investing to upgrade the property — you may be eligible to request a PMI cancellation. You'll likely need to pay for a home appraisal to verify the new market value, but that cost can be well worth it to avoid more PMI payments.

How do I calculate if I can remove PMI? ›

PMI is automatically removed when your loan-to-value (LTV) ratio reaches 78%. You can request to have PMI removed from your loan when you reach 80% LTV in your home.

What is considered substantial improvement for PMI removal? ›

For loans that are less than two years old, there must be substantial improvements made to the home that increased the value in order to use the current market value. “Substantial improvements” are renovations that substantially improved the property value or substantially extended the useful life of the home.

How to remove PMI with a new appraisal? ›

Using a new appraisal to remove PMI involves an appraisal of your home's current value to prove that the LTV ratio has decreased due to an increase in your home's original value. Refinancing is another option, allowing you to secure a lower rate or switch from an FHA loan to a conventional mortgage.

How can I remove PMI without refinancing? ›

Equity. One path to removing PMI from your mortgage without refinancing is to build up the equity in your home. In this case, your PMI can be automatically removed when you reach a certain amount of equity. Equity is calculated by subtracting the amount you owe on your mortgage from the appraised value of your home.

How much does PMI removal cost appraisal? ›

Get a new appraisal to remove PMI

But before spending $300 to $500 on an appraisal, check your lender's rules. Some lenders require borrowers to use certain appraisers.

Can I get PMI removed if home value increases? ›

You can typically remove PMI if market conditions lead to a significant increase in your home's value. You have to make a request with your lender and order a new appraisal.

Can a lender refuse to remove PMI? ›

Yes, a lender can refuse to remove PMI. For instance, if your property does not appraise as expected or you do not satisfy a requirement, a lender can reject your request. However, if you meet the requirements, you can request the removal of PMI.

Does your mortgage go down when PMI is removed? ›

You have the right to remove PMI for many mortgages, once you have paid down your mortgage to a specified point. Ending PMI reduces your monthly costs. Some lenders and servicers may allow removal of PMI under their own standards.

How do I ask my lender to remove PMI? ›

To request cancellation of PMI, you should contact your loan servicer when the loan balance falls below 80 percent of your home's original value (the contract sales price or the appraised value of your home at the time it was purchased).

Can PMI be written off? ›

It applied the deduction to policies issued in the 2007 tax year going forward. The measure has been periodically renewed, but expired after the 2021 tax year. Currently, PMI is not deductible for the 2022 or later tax years.

Is PMI based on appraised value? ›

The amount you pay in PMI is a percentage of your principal mortgage loan amount. It is not impacted by appraisal. However, if your home increases in value to the point that you have gained substantial equity, a home appraisal will help prove to your lender that you qualify for PMI removal.

How do I write a PMI removal letter? ›

Dear (Servicer Name): I am requesting to cancel my private mortgage insurance. The coverage is with (Mortgage Insurance Company Name) and my mortgage loan number is (loan number). I have included documentation to support why I think the equity in my home has reached or exceeded 20%.

Under what three circ*mstances can PMI be Cancelled or terminated? ›

The borrower may submit a written request to cancel PMI as of the date that, based on the amortization schedule(s) and regardless of the outstanding balance of the mortgage, the principal balance is first scheduled to reach 80% of the original value of the mortgaged property or an earlier date that, based on actual ...

Can you get your PMI lowered? ›

You can decrease your PMI expenses by bringing a larger down payment to closing. Your credit score: This number can tell lenders how responsible you are when you borrow money. The higher your credit score, the lower your PMI could be. Your loan type: You'll pay less for PMI if you have a fixed-rate loan.

Will lender remove PMI? ›

Yes. Even if you don't ask your servicer to cancel PMI, in general, your servicer must automatically terminate PMI on the date when your principal balance is scheduled to reach 78 percent of the original value of your home. For your PMI to be cancelled on that date, you need to be current on your payments.

How do I get my bank to drop PMI? ›

To request cancellation of PMI, you should contact your loan servicer when the loan balance falls below 80 percent of your home's original value (the contract sales price or the appraised value of your home at the time it was purchased).

Is it worth refinancing to drop PMI? ›

Refinance to get rid of PMI

If interest rates have dropped since you took out the mortgage, you might consider refinancing to save money. Besides getting a lower rate, refinancing might also let you get rid of PMI if the new loan balance is less than 80% of the home's value.

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